You can almost hear Mike Riley shaking his head over the phone.
On the line from Oregon State University, in Corvalis, Ore., Riley can't believe he's still the last head coach to lead the Winnipeg Blue Bombers to a championship.
Or that the current Grey Cup drought is in a franchise record 23rd year.
"Wow," Riley said. "That's interesting. It's kind of surprising to me. Because I know they've been close. They've had some teams that have been right on the verge of winning it again."
Back in Riley's day with the Blue and Gold, "on the verge of winning it again" could have been the Bombers' mission statement.
Riley was an assistant on the team that ended a 21-year drought in 1984, and the head coach for Grey Cup titles in ’88 and ’90.
He can only imagine the mood around town now.