Andre Talbot has been an Argonaut since 2001 and has never been part of something this bad.
Being 4-7 is one thing, but that's not what sends shivers down to the receiver's spine.
"It's an atmosphere that has been created up to this point, somehow, some way," Talbot said in a mostly empty Argos room after the horrible loss to the Winnipeg Blue Bombers Friday at Rogers Centre.
"We're not playing together. We are all playing as individuals. If we mess up a couple of times, that does not mean it should set the tone for the rest of the game. We need guys with heart and character.
"We suck. That's my take on things right now, is that we suck."
Dominique Dorsey has been the Argos' only sure thing.
Whether it has been a quarterback controversy (which might be welcomed again with the way Kerry Joseph has been playing), players blasting the team on their way out of town or the firing of coach Rich Stubler last week, this season has been full of lowlights.
The once-strong defence is no more. Changes already have been made and some think Michael Fletcher, once he recovers from a foot injury, could be the next to go. But more could be coming.
At Edmonton, the Eskimnoss managed to hold off the Hamilton Tiger-Cats -- thanks to a last-minute touchdown by Calvin McCarty -- to win 38-33 in what can only be described as a turnover-fest.
The Eskimos (7-4), who moved into a tie for second place in the West Division, and the Ticats combined for 10 turnovers.
Forty-eight points were scored off those turnovers -- 27 by the Ticats, who came close to winning in former University of Ottawa coach Marcel Bellefeuille's first game in charge.
Edmonton's Jason Goss made three interceptions and had 50- and 94-yard returns for touchdowns.