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Is it time for the Blue Jays to trade Roy Halladay?
Wed, July 8, 2009


There was a time when Roy Halladay never would contemplate accepting a trade to leave the Blue Jays.

But those days are long gone.

And sooner, rather than later, so too will Halladay.

J.P. Ricciardi, the Blue Jays general manager, opened up the big can of worms surrounding the possible trading of the Jays all-star right-hander yesterday when he told a U.S.-based website: "We have to see what's out there. I'm not saying we're going to shop him. But if something makes sense, we at least have to listen. We're (leaning) more toward listening than we've ever been."

Halladay's three-year, $40-million US contract runs out in 2010, which will fuel speculation about his departure through this year's July 31 trade deadline and beyond.

What are your thoughts on Halladay's future in Toronto? Have your say in our forum.

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In Hockey you cannot win more games than you lose without a quality starting Goalie. In football you cannot win more games than you lose without a quality starting Quarterback. In baseball you need a quality pitcher, the Ace, the guy that can win more than he loses.

Any team in any sport looks long and hard for such a player. A player of Halladay's caliber. Not many teams will get so lucky as to find one. The Toronto Blue Jays have been lucky.

If they trade Halladay, what will the Jay's get in return? Maybe a young player that could possibly become a good player in 5 years when you've already given up and traded him away. Someone they can groom in hopes he will become another Halladay? Lightning rarely strikes in the same place twice so good luck with that Riccardi.

A coworker said to me this morning that baseball is 90 percent pitching. If you have a great pitcher, you'll win games. It's common sense. Just look at Halladay's won/loss record. With the batters and defense the Jays currently have he's won 11 games and only lost 3. Rookie pitcher Romero, 7 wins and 3 losses. The number of pitchers on the Jays staff that can win over half the games they pitch needs to increase not decrease. The Jay's are actually so very close to fielding a playoff caliber team, they don't even see it.

If the cards fall into place the Jays could trade Wells for a quality starting pitcher and a couple of quality relievers or even a true closer. Again, it all starts with pitching. Players come back from injury and the pieces fall into place for a good run through the playoffs. Why trade a guy that gives you everything you'll be looking for from another guy? First though you need a GM that can make this happen. A promotion for Cito Gaston? Someone that has respect from the team and league. Someone that knows the game and has won at the major league level, he must know what it takes to win. Riccardi has zero respect from his team. He has had his opportunity and the days of using the leagues salary structure as a reason for losing have come and gone. He has not delivered the pitching help the team needed to be successful. The batters he has delivered. The defense he has delivered. Pitching help for Halladay he has not delivered. Now his solution for lack of pitching help is to trade the player who brings the most wins to his team. The Jay's do not need to rebuild and if they do than Riccardi needs to go. He has put the pieces of this underachieving team together and he is about to trade the best part. The best part is not something he can take credit for. It's the part he had nothing to do with. Without this part Riccardi's won loss record would be even worse than it is.

By trading Halladay, Riccardi is telling Blue Jay's fans that he's lost confidence in his own ability to field a winning team before Halladay's contract comes to an end in 2010. Riccardi obviously feels that he wont be able to convince Halladay to sign a long term deal in Toronto. A GM with zero confidence in his own ability is a GM that will never regain the confidence from the players. Limiting how many players, not just Halladay, will want to re-sign.

Trade fielders, get pitching, but first lose Riccardi and find someone that the current players will have confidence in. The new GM is the key to the Jay's future. Like Colangelo with the Raptors...who despite not making the playoffs last year has found a creative way to lure star caliber players for less money to Toronto. He's a man with the confidence of not only his team but also the confidence of the fans. Jay's ownership needs to let Riccardi go and order the non-sense of trading Halladay to stop and tell the team and the fans that the Jay's are committed to winning, now watch us do just that.
Michael, 2009-07-21 14:50:26

KC, 2009-07-21 13:56:00

Fire Riccardi, bench Rios and Wells and keep the Doc

He's the best sportsname in Toronto - go Jays!
Tony Danza, 2009-07-21 13:14:06

Part of the problem (or maybe a big part of the problem) for the Jays and teams in other cities that don't have a long baseball history with massive markets to draw from (i.e. ticket sales and TV), is the soft cap. They're selling false hope in T.O. et al since they're trying to compete in a rigged game (i.e. going up against huge payrolls in Boston and NY in their own division, and other big market teams around the league). A team can surprise from time to time through good scouting and drafting (e.g. Colorado, Arizona, Tampa, etc.) but success, if any, is usually short-lived since the stars will be drawn away by teams that aren't concerned with the cap.

You could likely put together a pretty respectable team in Toronto with some of the current Jays (e.g. Hill, Doc of course, Rolen, etc.) plus ex-Jays still playing and flourishing in the league - this indicates good scouting and drafting, but that doesn't help you in a stacked game where money is allowed to trump good management.

Nothing will change since the large market teams such as the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Cardinals, Phillies, Dodgers, etc. generate so much money for themselves and baseball generally - MLB won't bite the hand that feeds it.

This is the sad truth and reason for Jays fans to reflect on how they spend their hard-earned entertainment dollars.
Jake, 2009-07-20 15:13:33

Trade Riccardi - Keep Doc.

I am laughing every time I read comments like "trade them, tired of paying tickets for a loosing team" yet these are the same people who proudly support the Leafs!! Whatever. Keep Doc, fire Riccardi.

typical TO, 2009-07-20 12:13:18

LAFFING AT JP is 100% correct! Well said sir!
RM, 2009-07-20 10:35:29

J.P. Riccardi is the big problem. He has done NOTHING for this club to prove he really wants awining team..Good and great players have come and gone..and it seems to repeat itself year after year..Every year about this time we have to accept thast this year is over and until next year...AGAIN! Keep Halladay, get more simple solution...get rid of duds such as Wells and Rios and firm up the pitching...guys like Hill, Scutaro, Lindt and otherts are great players a great future for the Jays, buils adound those and get more great pitching...this year was lost on pitching and the lack of energy that stemmed from the mediocre pitching of rookies. Get more players and see the emotion increase and the will to win. The degree of effort and will to play hard on the part opf a few players (Wells and Rios) seems so apaprent on TV every time they get into the batters box... When we say GO Jays Go, it means go play hard not go away!

JP you GO!
RM, 2009-07-20 10:33:37

TO likes arrogant, know-it-all, selfserving GMs. This guy JP is really bad news, not quite on a par with JFJ, but getting close.

Only a team that has no objective to win would trade the best pitcher in captivity. It says here JP trades Doc and the Jays aren't going to win anything for a decade. Just another case of the "we are superior" mgt crowd in TO hiring a like-minded, overpaid, incompetent type who will go to his deathbed thinking he is smarter than everyone else. A video could be made on the smug statements of JFJ and JP that turned out to be pure drivel. The jury is still out on big-mouth Brian "I'm gonna sign Tavares or Schenn the Younger" Burke but it is amazing how the good folks in TO pay top dollar to watch losing teams year in and year out that are managed by smug unqualified, overpaid, incompetents.
Laffing at JP, 2009-07-20 09:55:50

What has happened, this site has noticed that this is summer and there are sports other than hockey.

Hockey is a great sport, but as a business it run by power driven fools, reported by single minded media that are incapable of expanding their world beyond NHL hockey.

That’s right like sheep, sports fans in southern Ontario follow any dredged up hockey crap that this narcissistic hockey media produce to keep their useless opinions and political agenda in the face of their sheep.

As for Roy Halladay one of the best pitches in his era and what are the comments from Toronto sports fans, over paid and teams monetary issues. The reality is that Roger has to deal with the issues of a recession not only at the ticket window but for their entire business.

The money issue is part of the political agenda of the Toronto media due to their over valued self worth. In reality sports athlete get paid their contracts based on sports revenue and the player’s ability. Toronto sheep are good paying any amount of money to bring in some has been player for their dream of a cup. Yet the teachers union ONLY cares about money not results on the ice.

Roy Halladay is a class act, he represents what is good in an Athlete, yet hockey sheep in Toronto have nothing but negative comments for a man that produces every time he walks onto the mound (he earns his money under any standards).

As a sport fan unwilling to accept the Toronto media’s message, it will be a sad day when and if he leave Toronto, just like the day Gertzky was traded, Magic Johnson retirement, and England or Italy gets knock out of the World Cup every 4 years.

There are certain Athletes that give you memories for a life-time their abilities become greater that the human. Names like Babe Ruth, Micky Mantle, Wayne Gertzky, Bobby Orr, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Michael Jordan and add to that list as a Blue Jay Fan, Roy Halladay.

Comments from a SPORTS fan not a follower of the Toronto Media club.

Danny Boyle, 2009-07-19 12:57:56

The Jays are a financial mess but you can't get a Roy Halladay for $15 million per season on the free agent market.

Get rid of the overpriced players first.
rk, 2009-07-16 17:51:46

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