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Is Ron Wilson right about Sundin?
Thu, September 4, 2008

On one hand, Ron Wilson said he respects Sundin for not rushing back if he is unsure whether or not he wants to play -- adding that he would welcome back the longtime Leafs captain with open arms.

On the other hand, Wilson suggested that one of the problems with the sad-sack Leafs last year was a distinct lack of leadership.

And you don't have to be Howie Meeker to connect the dots there, that leadership is supposed to be one of the major responsibilities of the team captain.

Is Wilson right about the Leafs recent poor form?

Full story: Wilson suggests Mats was part of the problem



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I would suggest coming up with another handle. Pete is too common a name. Copying other forum names just adds to the confusion.
moderator, 2008-06-24 14:12:54

FOR THE MODERATOR: I would request that you please don't put AKA Pete. I have no problem with it, however, I am trying to make a point with DisgruntledFan. He and Wayne continuously denied the fact there are/is more than one Pete, Peter etc. and continuously berate and fling insults. Again, I can live with it but it takes away from the lesson that I'm sending DisgruntledFan and Wayne. Your assistance is appreciated.
Disgruntledfan, 2008-06-24 13:57:27

a hockey fan, first and foremost you have to remember that your version of the leafs with Gilmour, Roberts, Domi, Ellett etc. etc. were a team of slow whitted skaters with a game plan that contained nothing else than clutch and grab. Unless the league wants your team to do well (market wise) like they did with Anaheim a few years ago, then you don't have a snowball in hell chance. Look at the draft so called "hockey fan", how many small speed forwards were drafted in the first round this year? Years past you would never see those type of players drafted. Time to move on old timer. Did you hear, there is no longer two line passes!
Disgruntledfan (AKA Pete), 2008-06-24 09:44:43

Jamal Mayers is a good, gritty player who is a leader.

Despite his age, he is a good type of player to have around to help lead the team.

Yes, giving up a 3rd round pick could be a lot, but many of these picks never amount to anywhere near as good a player as Mayers is.
gordholio, 2008-06-24 05:21:09

The "awesome" Tie Domi?? There are a lot of adjectives I would place in front of his name - but awesome is not among them.

The Leafs were certainly competitive when Gilmour was there (the first time around - not that pathetic comeback) and Sundin has been steadily good over his career. But the Leafs have not been "amazing" since the 1960s.

I'm sure management would love to "start now" - but this current collection simply has no idea how to go about it. Not when you give up a 3rd round pick for a 33-year-old journeyman.
DisgruntledFan, 2008-06-23 17:33:11

They have to get players, scout around, hang on to their draft picks and start thinging like a hockey team again. the leafs were amanzing at one point when Potvin was in net, Sundine rocked, Doug Gilmore was with them. they had a great line up including the awsome Tie Domi. They made quiet an impression then. Why not start now
a hockey fan, 2008-06-19 08:54:15

It doesn't matter if Toe Blake,Scotty Bowman,or Ron Wilson were coaching the Leafs,unless they draft wisely and hang onto their picks to maturity then Leaf fans will continue to go to bed Saturday nights in a depressed mood for years to come.(Me included!)
Johnny, 2008-06-18 12:22:14

Only time will tell. I see the Maple Leafs making quite a few changes this summer and missing the playoffs again next season.

After that they may make the playoffs depending upon how the young players do.

But, the goal isn't just to make the playoffs, it's to win the Stanley Cup.

Only a good plan with good execution and player performances will give us a chance.
gordholio, 2008-06-17 01:34:37

No wonder the Leafs can't win, all you people who comment need to see a shrink.
Dave Keon, 2008-06-17 00:15:11

Wilson, Schmillson...does it really matter? It will take many years to undo the damage done by ferguson. Don't expect this bunch of AHL'ers to make the playoffs for 5 years.

if they draft wisely then maybe in 2014. but that is a big " if "...... in the short term I am sure that we will watch and continue to laugh
Goober, 2008-06-13 18:17:45

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