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Is Ron Wilson right about Sundin?
Thu, September 4, 2008

On one hand, Ron Wilson said he respects Sundin for not rushing back if he is unsure whether or not he wants to play -- adding that he would welcome back the longtime Leafs captain with open arms.

On the other hand, Wilson suggested that one of the problems with the sad-sack Leafs last year was a distinct lack of leadership.

And you don't have to be Howie Meeker to connect the dots there, that leadership is supposed to be one of the major responsibilities of the team captain.

Is Wilson right about the Leafs recent poor form?

Full story: Wilson suggests Mats was part of the problem



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as usual the T.O media continues to be the problem with this team! you guys are making it more and more difficult to like following this team. just because Ron Wilson says that there was a lack of leadership doesn't pin the blame squarely on Mats Sundin. there rarely is only one person responsible for the leadership and there are very few Mark Messiers. yes, Mats was the most important leader, but McCabe and Tucker were also suppose to be leaders on this team, and well we've seen how great of a job Ron and Cliff thought they were doing on this team. in my opinion, those were the leaders that have failed this team. Mats has always pulled his weight on this team, he's scored big goals at big times, and more so in the last couple of years, started sacrificing his body defensively. was Scott Niedermeyer the only leader in Anaheim, is Nik Lidstrom the only leader in Detroit? it is really annoying for me to see the bone heads in the T.O media (most of whom i doubt ever played any sports) try to paint their biased slants on everything. go ahead all you Howie Meekers and connect every dot you wish, but then at that end of your masterpiece ask yourself if this team looks better with what Mats Sundin has to offer or not.
keith, 2008-09-05 09:31:00

I think coach Wilson hit a nerve here,with Sundins latest antics it appears he may be right, maybe all that Matts cares about is Matts,and always has, what a shock!
Ed, 2008-09-05 09:29:21

Well then, Ron, let's see you take the leadership role. We'll be able to answer the forum question at the end of the season and I suspect we'll see Ron fall on his face. Mats should not come back to the Leafs and a coach who makes these comments without even knowing him or the organization. MLSE does not deserve him.
chris, 2008-09-05 09:01:15

Welcome back, I've been away for a while and I see some idiot has taken on my psuedo pen name of Disgruntledfan which I only started using to piss off the real DisgruntledFan by demonstating that more than one person use the same handle. That being said, some of you take it to a new level. It must be Jimmy the American idiot. Afterall I don't know a single American who has had an original idea. That being said, DisgruntledFan, I see you're still riding around on that high horse of yours. Clown.
Disgruntledfan, 2008-09-05 08:56:25

Sundin has not, has never,and WILL never be a leader of any team that he plays on. His has always lived for early summers - making the playoffs has never been a priority for

the selfish Swede.
Garry Brodhagen, 2008-09-05 08:33:11

DisgruntledFan,

Time will tell how that 3rd round pick for Mayers turns out. But, you need veteran guys with character on a team.

If you look at the 2001 NHL Draft, Round 3 for example:

17 out of 34 players selected have played at least ONE game in the NHL;

SEVEN players have played more than 50 games in the NHL;

13 of the 17 who have actually made it to the NHL have less than 20 points so far;

There are a few gems - Tomas Plekanec - 145 points, Stephane Veilleux - 67 points and Patrick Sharp - 135 points.

So, it is pretty much established that the player the St.Louis Blues will be getting for Jamal Mayers, in all likelihood, will never even make the NHL.

He could, but the odds are that he will have very little impact.
gordholio, 2008-07-07 15:49:49

Oh get real. Or a good dictionary. "Allot" means "give or apportion to (a person) as a share or task." as, for example "the coach will allot the pucks according to position in practice."

"A lot of" - in the way I used it - is simply another way of saying "many."

Get off your high horse.
DisgruntledFan, 2008-07-07 10:25:28

DisgruntledFan, was it not you who attempted to give moi a lesson in grammar and spelling? Although I have never professed to give a crap about either one. IT'S "ALLOT" not "a lot". Hypocrite.
Disgruntledfan, 2008-07-05 15:50:57

You're right, gordholio, that a lot of 3rd rounders don't amount to anything. But then again, a lot do. These are all 3rd round picks and there's no doubt each is infinitely better than Mayers: Tomas Plekanec; Matthew Lombardi; Johan Franzen; Niklas Hagman; Mike Comrie; Chris Kelly; Brad Richards; Jarkko Ruutu; Eric Cole; Francois Beauchemin; Brian Gionta.

And I could find just as many, if not more, who went in later rounds. The point is, a guy like Mayers might well help a team expected to be in contention next season as a depth/specialty player. Toronto will not be in contention for at least two more years (and maybe 3), so what need do they have for that type of player?
DisgruntledFan, 2008-06-24 15:47:43

Yes indeed, however, as much as it adds confusion it also adds much needed comic relief. Much at Wayne's expense.
Disgruntledfan, 2008-06-24 14:50:45

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