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Are the Leafs pulling off good moves?
Mon, November 24, 2008

The Maple Leafs have traded Carlo Colaicovo and Alex Steen to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for forward Lee Stempniak.

Stempniak, 25, a native of West Seneca, N.Y., scored 27 goals two seasons ago.

This season, he has three goals and 10 assists through 14 games.

Is this a good move for the Leafs? Have your say in our forum.

Colaiacovo, Steen dealt to Blues


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Man are you out there. Do you think the Leafs have won the cup anytime in the last 15 years?

Dude you talk alot of crap for someone that roots for a team that is at the bottom of the standings.

There future isnt looking any better either. No good young prospects in the junior leagues or there AHL team except for maybe Pogge but the jury is still out on him.
Wayne, 2008-04-11 14:07:06


very interesting assesment form somebody who's probably from monteal where they think they are so special! don't forget thet since '93 the habs missed the playy-offs more than the Leafs, and they didn't get enywhere near the Cup since then.
Peter, 2008-04-10 14:30:05

History has shown that it doesn't matter what the Leafs do the best they can come up with is a first or second round exit. They can change coach, players even the whole management at the end of the day the only thing that will change is at best a second round exit because Toronto have a sense of entitlement as they think of themselves the center of the Universe and will have a team of heartless players which is something that can't be bought. Even if they would move Montreal or San Jose to Toronto the team would soon deteriorate to a hapless team of figure skaters like they have now. As of Ottawa they will be out in the first round because they have a team that concentrates on beating the Leafs once that is accomplished they self destruct even year they are the team to beat and fold like a house of cards by the end. Welcome to the real world Boys and Girls can you say "FORE"
Claude, 2008-04-10 08:21:30

Dwain I completely agree with you, but I am assuming that it's the suits that have most of the seats and not the average joe.

Your way works, but don't you think that the average joessss should stand up and say that they're not going to take it anymore?

I think that's the only way the suits will listen.
Andy V., 2008-04-09 20:10:20

Kevin, do you seriously think that Burke will come to T.O.? Burke prides himself on appearing to be some sort of savior and hockey god, and the Leafs situation will make him look like anything but. The Anaheim Ducks you say? The only thing Burke did for them was get very fortunate on Lowe wanting Pronger gone quickly, and then sitting back and letting the team that Bryan Murray assembled win games. Then what did he do this last off-season? Spend the last of his cap space on....Bertuzzi, at the expense of Penner?!? LOL! Burke is the biggest fraud going and if he did take over the Leafs I would laugh long and loud because Leafs nation would undoubtedly start planning the Cup parade never realizing that Burke will only make their situation worse as his truculence with reporters will be a magnet for the rabid Toronto sports media. The next Leafs GM barely even matters as it all depends on whether the suits above the GM will keep their noses out it. I heard Scotty Bowman had almost signed on until Peddie started meddling and chased him off. Burke? Nope. He likes looking good, and the Leafs are a mess on almost every level. The only thing they need is a GM with absolute authority to burn, salt-the-earth and by any means necessary bring this franchise back to reality, that being: they suck. Encourage them to tank next year Leafs nation, field an almost all-Marlies team and hope to get Tavares in the draft and rebuild around him. Of course, then they would probably trade him for Chelios, Forsberg and Hasek lol. Poor Leafs nation, I feel for you I really do. Being an Oilers fan yes, we missed this year too but are now sitting on a team where all of the prospects and draft picks have started to come to fruition and have hope for the next 5-6 years most likely.Sorry, not trying to rub salt in....
Norbit, 2008-04-09 19:33:46

Andy V.

Its much easier than you have stated. Stop going to the leafs games and stop buying their product. Everyone else will see the numbers and figure it out. Pepsi or whoever wont pay much to have their name on the boards if noone is showing up. I blame the fans just as much as the management for the pitiful shape the team is in now. While I agree its good to support the team no matter what, its gone on long enough.
Dwain, 2008-04-09 14:26:27

One more suggestion, Andy; Petition the league to move the Marlies to the NHL and the Leafs to the AHL. The Leafs wouldn't win the Calder Cup but might have a shot at making the AHL playoffs. The Marlies obviously have a lot more heart and character and are certainly better coached!
Roy, 2008-04-09 10:29:53

Macleans "Why the Leafs Stink" presents an accurate picture of Peddie as a self-serving, arrogant, smug, elitist, superior, know it all. I can just picture him quoting Obama and justifying hiring JFJ. Sickening. He epitomizes the gang that run the Laffs. The speed of the crew is the speed of the captain. When his protege JFJ and he were cooking up those multi-million dollar deals for clunkers like McCabe and Tucker, did money disappear into Peddie's or JFJ's bank accounts?

Agree with the G&M article that categorized current Laffs into albatrosses, traders and keepers with two exceptions. Minor disagreement - Devereaux, he of the American Idol name and looks, is not a hockey player and shouldn't be kept. More important is what to do with Toskala. He cost the Laffs so much in terms of draft choices and an albatross named Bell that I can understand how difficult it would be to trade him for what he cost the Laffs in the first place. But after watching him make the same mistakes over and over again (dropping to his knees and not stopping the shots over his shoulders) I think he should be traded or bought out. After all his GAA ranks him 20th and establishes him firmly as a second stringer. Laffs cannot go deep into the playoffs with Vesa. I will not criticize a young no-name goalie who comes in next year if he gives it 100% and doesn't make $4m like Vesa.

And one more thing. The scouting staff, Shawn Simpson and Don Granato et al. should be canned quickly. Who are these guys anyway? I have heard of Tony Granato but who is Don? JFJ's brother in-law? Fletch needs some help from knowledgeable people to make some good draft choices and JFJ's brother in-law is too busy counting his big fat salary to spend any time assessing hockey players. It costs $486 for a family of four to take in a Laffs hockey game. A fool and his money are easily parted, I guess.

Any other organization would be pursuing JFJ for fraud and misrepresentation. Its not too late; JFJ should be forced to return 80% of his salary and Peddie should be careful that an investigative reporter doesn't start digging.

Ron, 2008-04-09 10:10:52

The question should be - What Now For The Leaf Nation.

I'm a Habs fan and my Dad, god bless him was a Leaf fan. He never got to see his team win another cup before he passed. Now it's 41 years and counting since 67.


The only way the Leaf Nation fans can get change is to have the management fully accountable and answer for their failure.

Hockey is a business and because most of the Leaf's money comes from advertising, merchandising, and corporate ticket sales, the fans in the Leafs Nation are apologized to only for the show.

Leaf Nation and Leaf Fans need to organize and unite.

Organized quickly but efficiently:

1- set up a fan commission.

2- recruit the largest fan base possible.

3- start a letter writing campaign or email to MLSE

management, demanding a cup winner in the next 8 years, and gradual - visble improvement until then.

4- research the companies that advertise with the hockey club.

5- contact the media and let them know of the commission and their mandate. TSN and CBC in particular.

6- organize and threaten to boycott the advsertisers

unless they come on board,

demanding top product to market their stuff. This is done through letters and emails.

7- obtain the corporate ticket list and do the same with these companies.

8- contact city officials and try to involve them as the Leafs image as losers does little to promote the city.

9- continue contact with the media to update fans of progress.

10- promote a policy of refraining from purchases of merchandise at the games.

11- Write a letter campaign

or email to the NHL head office advising of the fan commission,and it's mandate. As many signatures as possible- or swamp them with individual correspondance.

A lot of this can be up before the start of next season.

Starting now means a lot of fans will gladly join and your fan commission will have a large groundswell. Remember the region has about 7 million people - lots of fed-up Leaf fans.

If the NHL, rhw advertisers or corporate sponsors feel there is a threat to their almighty $$$ dollar $$$ and possibility of losing money because of a serious campaign; they will order the Hockey club to ice a winner ASAP. The 2 most secure NHL franchises are Montreal and Toronto - god forbid there be any threat to this.

Leaf Nation - Good Luck!
Andy V., 2008-04-08 22:06:35

With Cliff Muckler at the helm, the rest of the NHL can sleep easy. The LAFFS have a lame duck coach, with a lame duck GM, and a lame-duck team. They are just going to be sitting ducks for the rest of the NHL next season, again.

Pedling PEDDIE will peddle yet another inferior product, as usual with the most grandiose promises.

The curse of Harold Ballard is intact!

Vince in Ottawa, 2008-04-08 21:54:06

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