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Are the Leafs pulling off good moves?
Mon, November 24, 2008

The Maple Leafs have traded Carlo Colaicovo and Alex Steen to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for forward Lee Stempniak.

Stempniak, 25, a native of West Seneca, N.Y., scored 27 goals two seasons ago.

This season, he has three goals and 10 assists through 14 games.

Is this a good move for the Leafs? Have your say in our forum.

Colaiacovo, Steen dealt to Blues


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Hollweg for a 5th rounder! Wow. Way to go. This is the missing piece. How many draft choices has Cliffhanger got left? But everybody can't play on the 4th line. Who will be on the 1st line? Oh I know. Alexei Ponikarovsky and Boyd Devereaux and Bates Battaglia. Wow! Pretty soon Fletch tears off the mask and reveals its really JFJ making these moves.

You have to laff along with the Laffs
Amused, 2008-07-15 10:06:35

Zenon Konopka just signed with the Bolts and was exactly the type of player the Laffs needed. Positive that nobody on the Laffs' scouting staff even heard of this tough ex- Ottawa 67's player. Look at the bios of Mike Penny, Granato and Connacher. Penny has been there since 2000 and has done absolutely nothing to come up with players like Konapka. Laffs have to shake up that scouting staff which keeps providing advice like "get Finger" and "Mikhael G. is worth a 5th rounder and a 2nd rounder." Awful when there is no accountability. Laffs' scouting staff needs a big clean up. Its a retirement home for old timers like Palmateer, Armstrong, Connacher etc. Do these guys even attend a hockey game? So far the additions have been really, really weak. What Tampa Bay is doing is a shake up. What Laffs are doing will guarantee them 41 yrs more of mediocrity.

Get serious Cliffhanger and get some more talented scouts. By not doing so you are making this a lot more difficult for yourself.
Becoming more skeptical by the day, 2008-07-13 17:44:52

It's reported that Shanahan will be playing for SKA St. Petersburg, the same club that signed Sergei Brylin earlier this week. They apparently have a spot for a foreign player and the team is coached by Barry Smith who used to work for the Detroit Red Wings when Shanahan played there.
Gary O., 2008-07-12 14:04:10

Cliff should quit waiting around for Sundin to make up his mind whether he wants to play hockey or golf.If Shanahan is still available he should sign him.He would cost less contribute more and there would still be money for signing or making a few trades.I can't figure out why Shanahan hasn't been signed by someone.Is he hurt or something?
Johnny, 2008-07-12 08:31:29

They should hire Feaster - right now. The guy has only won a Cup, two division titles and been to the playoffs 4 of his 5 years. Compare that to the record of any GM the Leafs have had in 41 years.
Gary O, 2008-07-11 14:11:33

After giving quite a bit of thought to this..it is better for the Leafs to part ways with Sundin. It will at least give the fans the impression that the team is trying something new. Unfortunately, the part of the team that assesses talent has not been doing a very good job for decades. The whole scouting staff should have been replaced a long time ago. I could have done a much better job just listening to hockey "insiders" like Bob MacKenzie, Glen Healey, or Mike Kyprosov and following Junior hockey through the web.

Of course, I would take the job more seriously and take in more junior games than you could shake a stick at.

It's just too bad that you need to be a "hockey expert" to get a job where you are not judged by your results.
Voice of Reason, 2008-07-11 11:20:23

Rebuilding shouldn't include Brian Burke who is exactly like Richard Peddie. Both are arrogant know-it-alls with BS baffles brains attitudes. Indeed, Peddie is a curse to rebuilding. I can't see anything good happening as long as he is around. Fletch was on the right track for awhile but got derailed after parting company with some deadbeats. Laffs' core group (McCabe, Blake, Toskala, Kaberle, Kubina, Antropov) has to be strengthened through trades or better drafting.This group isn't strong enough to go far in a playoff situation. Free agent acquisition Finger has a gimpy knee and at the end of his shift stands around because he lacks stamina. A good buy perhaps at $1M/yr but now at $4M/yr he is expected to perform at a level beyond his capabilities. Media and fans will ride him mercilessly. Whose decision was it to give up a 5th round and a 2nd round draft choice to trade for a marginal 3 goal scorer Habs player? Where is the long term thinking in this move? So Fletch gets an A for player moves up to the draft, an A for mgt moves (Wilson, Coates, Joe N.), a C for draft choices (should not have traded away draft choices) and a D for new player acquisitions (paid too much and coughed up too many draft choices).

September will tell the tale.
Laffs follower, 2008-07-11 09:47:48

Buzz. Hey dude, like wow man your name says it all. You must be buzzed to give the response you did below. Finger will surprize many. when you finally come down you will find out he only surprized the Laff fans and management as to why they signed him for so much. Late bloomer, ha. How does Cliff know he's a late bloomer, he hasn't even shown he could possibly be anything other than an average player. "Building a core and then bring in the guns" Laffs don't have the cap room to bring in any guns and won't for years. Isn't this the same MO the leafs have tried for years and it hasn't worked. The leafs biggest obstacle is themselves and their giant ego. You keep smoking the reefer dude and filling the arena. How long has Ballard been dead and yet nothing changes?
Disgruntledfan, 2008-07-11 08:41:46

It's amazing how few of the posts on this board actually answer the frickin' question. I think Moderator is more like Babysitter.

Signing Stuart was not an option..do you think he'd come to TO after winning a Cup with the Wings only to find himself golfing in April next year? Uh uh!

Fletcher is building a core that will gain experience as a team for a few years. Might even find one or two of them to be gems. Once this is established, then it's time to bring in some guns to add some scoring.

Paying Sundin anything right now would be silly. Use the remaining cap space to acquire talent during the season through trades and have that coin to sign players at the trade deadline. The team will become competitive within a few years and actually make a run at the playoffs.

Those are the building blocks of a reborn franchise.

...and to those doubters...Finger is going to surprise many.
Buzz, 2008-07-10 20:31:51

It's healthy to be optimistic Maxwell - but don't set yourself up for a fall. Yes, a team like Philadelphia went from last to a playoff team - but they did so with a solid core with which to work, and when they traded certain players for those of another position more to their needs, they had quality to trade. The Leafs do not have a solid core (not when Antropov and Dominic Moore are going to be your 1/2 centers), nor do they have anything at hand to trade that anyone else wants. Maybe Toskala - but all teams are set at that position - and Kaberle (who is better than either Kubina or McCabe and costs less). Not much. And remember, Fletcher was once fired by this same team after some highly-questionable moves. I doubt if he's gotten any smarter in the interim.

As for Burke - read Kevin Lowe's comments. The man is over-rated.
Gary O., 2008-07-10 19:41:16

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