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Is the UFC too brutal for women to compete?
Sat, December 22, 2007

UFC welterweight contender Karo Parisyan said women shouldn't compete in mixed martial arts.

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Ahhhh..... you're a power lifter. It all makes sense now. Not your logic, mind you, but your underestimation of women.

If you ever want to be enlightened one day, put down the dumbells and come to the other side! That is all I will say on this subject.
Ben TO, 2008-01-11 23:49:58

Don't ever kid yourself on brains in the ring. Tough and physical ability is premium.

I power lift and have seen very few women 100 pounds bench press 250 pounds. Also this is done on a bench allowing your elbows to go below your body. Being on the ground your elbows are stuck reducing your strength. There aren't many 200 pound guys that could bench 250 off their chest from the ground (its actually one of the things we train doing and its very tough)

Those 100 pound women showing how to immobilize an untrained man who really has no desire to hurt her are a great sales pitch but mean little when the 100 pound trained mail means to knock your block off.
wayne, 2008-01-11 12:09:12

What if the 100 pound woman can bench press 250 lbs, Wayne? In that example I afforded you, the tap out came on the ground. You acknowledged that anything can happen in the ring -- we agree on that. But don't write the women off in this sport just because men are bigger and "stronger" on a whole. Women on a whole have more brains and less testosterone than men, and UFC fighting is still more of a strategic chess match than out outright brawl.
Ben TO, 2008-01-11 10:11:00

Oh and Ben

I have seen trained people lose to smaller untrained too.

Fighting has no guarantees. One lucky hit can end it. A trained person might lose control when in the heat of battle. Many factors. As a trained person is told, leverage means a lot and heavier people have more leverage. When a 200 pound man falls on a 100 pound women, no training will get him off. He can be passed out and if your arms are pinned, no chance.
wayne, 2008-01-10 14:51:01

Because ben

In the ring and as you get closer to title bouts they both have the same skills and the woman isn't as strong. Did you ever wonder why women's world records are slower than mens? Also strength records are less. the only place women excell is in endurance swimming.
wayne, 2008-01-10 13:54:17

Given Parisyan's cultural background (old eastern European) I am not surprized by his comment. The fight network out west already has women fighting women in MMA. This is what I would consider rational. It has been around in boxing for years. At this point in time I believe there should be segregation of the sexes in MMA as in boxing. As always, if you disagree with watching anything, tell the person behind you to stop twisting your arm.
Ward, 2008-01-09 00:09:54

Wayne

I don't smoke. That wouldn't be good for training. Further more, I never said a 100 pound woman was STRONGER than a 200 pound man. I just made the point that the stronger, 200 pound man can get his butt kicked every single time by a properly trained, 100 woman.

You see, that was my old instructor I was referring to, and the 100 pound girl was a member of the club who took the 200 pound guy down to prove a point --- size and strenght doesn't always matter in the MMA. Most martial arts are about speed, training and skill, NOT strength and size. That is why Royce Gracie was so successful against guys four times his weight (he made sumo wrestler Ake Bono tap out).

Yes, the 200 pound guy was a lower ranking belt, and yes, HAD he been on the same skill level he WOULD have an advantage. I am fully aware of weight classes (which UFC has, guaranteeing a fair fight) and furthermore, females would likely participate against each other, not against men.

But that was not my point. For the record, my post was responding to someone who seemed to think women cannot match up against men at all. My point being: if a better trained, 100 pound female can make a 200 pound guy submit outside of the ring, then what makes anyone think that a well trained female does not stand a chance against a male of the same weight and size?
Ben TO, 2008-01-07 10:11:27

Too many Laura Croft and Charlies Angels movies have given the females a false sense that their physically equal.
Ray, 2008-01-04 18:48:18

Ben what are you smoking.

It has never been disputed men are stronger then women physically. Yes some women are stronger than some men. But for the most part men are stronger. Your example just had someone trained better. Did they do best 2 out of three. Bet you she wouldn't win every time, and as the big guy learned his superior strength would eventually win (don't ever tell me a 100 pound person is stronger than the 200 pound. Thats why they do have weight classes.
wayne, 2008-01-04 11:25:26

Let the girls fight! If they want to get beaten senseless, it's their choice.

There's going to be a certain segment of the population who will enjoy watching a women getting knocked unconscious anyway.
dave, 2008-01-03 11:35:56

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