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What should the Leafs do?
Tue, January 8, 2008

The Maple Leafs felt like throwing a hockey stick through the television following last night's 3-2 overtime loss to the Carolina Hurricanes, preferably at the big HD screen at National Hockey League headquarters in Toronto.

But angry Nik Antropov took the team's anger at a costly overtime penalty and three video replay reversals the hardest, hurling his stick towards referees Mike Leggo and Don Koharski after Rod Brind'Amour netted the game-winner.

Forget about throwing hockey sticks. What about throwing in the towel on the season? What should the Leafs do before the trade deadline? Have your say in our forum.

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i do agree with goerge about you Jim Fra. you make no sence rambling on about the beer and the econamy, well i really didnt like what you said about the east and how the west is better, im from NS and i really dont think it was right that you said that, i would like you to name two things that the west has and the east dosnt, ill name two things that the east does and the west doesnt: hills and ocean.
RJ, 2008-01-11 19:33:13

jim fra. you make some good points about the Oilers, but the rest of your rant is just that. A rant. Right now the Oilers sit 13th of 15, 5 pts out of a playoff spot with 5 teams to climb over to get to 8th. They have also played 2 more than the team (Chicago) right behind them, 2 and 3 more than the 4 just above them, and 4 more than the 8th place Blues.

The Leafs sit 14th of 15, 5 pts out of 8th with 6 teams to pass to get there. They have played 2 more than the Islanders, 1 less than Atlanta, 1 more than Washington, 2 more than Buffalo, and are even with NYR and Florida.

The Oilers have scored 120 goals and allowed 133 - the Leafs 122 and 146. As for the Western Conference being tougher. of the bottom 10 teams in the league, half are from the west, including the 30th place team.

On a % basis the Oilers are functioning at .489 and the Leafs .455 - a difference of .034 over some 44 games. So, the cost of beer and the economy aside, how exactly are the Oilers better?
George O'Leary, 2008-01-11 13:22:31

Ben, with all due respect to Canada's largest city, what does that have to do with icing a winner? Largest means best? That may have been true pre-lockout when they could spend to their heart's content - which they did if only to retain a playoff spot, but when they leveled the playing field with the cap it removed that "money-is-no-object" scenario. Now, as in the NFL, small market teams can compete on an equal-footing. Only baseball, with their idiotic sky's-the-limit attitude for the Yankees, Red Sox, and other free-spenders, starts each season with more than 75% of their leagues having no chance at all.
George O'Leary, 2008-01-11 13:00:36

True Blue

Steve Simmon's article about Jim Leetch missed the point completely. Jim may be a fan, but he is not a hockey exec. And if he did try make changes with the Leafs, then the entire city would be crying foul that yet another exec with no experience is trying to mettle in the hockey operations.

This guy does not outright OWN the team. He has controlling interest, but needs to keep the other shareholders happy too. His only job is to make sure the company is making money. The guy he has in place, Richard Peddie, is doing that job extremely well. So in the business world he would be a complete fool to fire Peddie.

And while a winning team is more profitable in every other city, that is NOT the case in Toronto.

Why? Because fans buy Leaf tickets, jerseys, flags no matter what.

So if we want change, we have completely ignore the team for the rest of the season. Leave the shirts in the closet. Pack away the flags. Don't renew season tickets. Get out of the waiting list for season tickets. Don't watch them on TV and make their ratings fall. Make all the corporations who buy seats and boxes there, understand fully that no one wants to go watch a loser --- and they will go elsewhere to entertain their clients. Make the Air Canada Centre look completely empty and make MLSE suffer a huge fiscal loss. Only then will Jim Leetch be able to do something.

To all of you in other cities --- this might sound like the rant of a bandwagoner, but things are different when it comes to the Leafs.
Ben TO, 2008-01-11 12:37:00

Listen up Leaf Nation. You cannot blame the players. They are what they are. Not so good.

Management & coaching must bear responsibility for who is on the ice....hence they must be sacked now.

Bring in competent, knowledgeable hockey people & let them have complete control and GIVE THEM THE TIME TO FIX THIS MESS.

Do you think Carbonneau, Gainey, Paddock, Murray, Vigneault, Keenan etc would still have jobs with this kind of track record? 28th place and heading south.

If Peddie, Ferguson & Maurice still have jobs Monday morning then this poor franchise deserves to be the laughing stock that it has become.

Goob knows all.
Goober, 2008-01-11 12:02:14

The leafs suck right from the ownership down, The ownership group knows nothing about hockey, all they are in it for is the money, a $13.00 beer???? the Maple leafs are the laughing stock in the NHL, take some lessons from the ownership group in Edmonton when hockey is a passion you will win and make money, when your only in it for the money you will suck royally like you are doing, for all you leaf fans its going to be a long time before you can contend but its funny your 13.00 beer tastes an aweful lot like my beer in Edmonton but i'm paying half the price and getting double the value, cause i know my team and my town and my ownership group is in it for the love of the sport not in it for the almighty dollar....we will be a contender soon , once again just like 2 years ago, trade your leafs jerseys in we not only love our teams out west, our economy is great and we even have room on our bandwagon for anyone who wants to cheer for a real team!!!!! GO OILERS GO!!!!!
jim fra, 2008-01-11 11:46:02

I really don't understand these idiots that cannot understand that Leafs' fans want their team to contend for a cup every year. Mediocrity may be acceptable in Vancouver, Minnesota, Buffalo, etc, but we, the ticket buying fan, have had enough. We put up with Ballard, then the ineptitude in management that has followed. Losing is not an option, is not acceptable, and should never be tolerated by a fan of ANY team! Alas, the "owner" of the Leafs, Jim Leetch, does not care enough about the franchise to get involved and demand that heads roll. In his own words...He is "pretty disappointed". Someone needs to point out to this class A fool that a winning team produces more profit. Maybe that'll shake the team up.
True Blue, 2008-01-11 11:29:25


Simply put, we in Toronto do not accept the fact that Canada

s largest city and thus biggest market cannot produce a team that can contend for the Cup. Heck, right now, we'd even settle for a team that at least could make a game against the last place LA Kings look close. It mirrors exactly what is happening the Knicks in New York -- the team overcharging fans to see an overhyped, overpaid team that can't produce. I would rather watch the Marlies take the Leafs' place in the NHL for the rest of the year, they can do no worse
Ben TO, 2008-01-11 10:22:20

why blame tlusty, hes only a rookie.
RJ, 2008-01-11 09:19:43

I can understand some posters saying trade Sundin for quality picks, but obviously some are forgetting what happens to quality picks in the Leafs organization - they get traded for overpaid washed up veterans! Until we get rid of and stop hiring incompetence from the top down (and that includes the ownership) nothing will change. Even if we manage to keep a quality pick, who's he going to play with - the next overpaid veteran who the top brass thinks will play better than he ever has in the twilight of his career? May as well keep Sundin until he decides to retire. At least then Leafs nation will have someone to watch.
chris, 2008-01-11 08:57:46

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